Hilarious take on how Red Hat is changing over to Fedora and letting the community know how things will work in general.
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<li><em>From</em>: Konstantin Ryabitsev <icon linux duke edu></li>
<li><em>To</em>: Development discussions related to Fedora Core <fedora-devel-list redhat com></li>
<li><em>Subject</em>: Re: fedora core 3 goals.</li>
<li><em>Date</em>: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:33:58 -0400</li>
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<tt>Mike Chambers wrote:
</tt><blockquote style="border-left: #0000FF solid 0.1em; margin: 0em; padding-left: 1.0em"><pre style="margin: 0em;">I think Red Hat went out on a limb and went ahead and told everyone what
was going to happen with changing to Fedora and letting us in on how
this thing will work in general.
</pre></blockquote><tt><br>Let me, err, relay how things are looking from outside of RH in the
format everyone will understand...</tt><br>
<br>
<pre style="margin: 0em;">--- BEGIN IRC LOG ---
<rh_pr> We are announcing Red Hat Project! A community-based
distribution!
<oss_crowd> rh_pr: Neat.
<rh_dev> rh_pr: Uh... I'm not ready.
* rh_pr is away: promoting rhel
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: what do we do?
<rh_dev> oss_crowd: I'm not sure.
<rh_legal> rh_dev: don't do anything until I say it's ok.
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: what can we do to help with Red Hat Project?
<rh_dev> oss_crowd: uh... file bugs and help test things.
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: didn't we always do that?
<rh_sales> hey, all, if you really want a stable system, don't use
fedora project. It will eat your brane. Buy RHEL instead.
<rh_dev> rh_sales: stfu
--- rh_pr removes voice from rh_sales
<fedora_us> hey, all, check out our neat community-driven system for
red hat development
<oss_crowd> fedora_us: ooooh!
<rh_pr> fedora_us: I like your name
--- fedora_rh joined the channel
<rh_legal> much better
<rh_pr> We are announcing Fedora Project! A community-driven
distribution!
<oss_crowd> rh_pr: Neat!
* fedora_rh waves
<fedora_us> I'm not dead yet.
<fedora_rh> fedora_us: don't confuse things.
<fedora_us> fedora_rh: does this mean we're merging?
<fedora_rh> fedora_us: maybe
<rh_legal> fedora_rh: don't do anything until I say it's ok.
--- fedora_us joined #limbo
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: so, what can we do to help?
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: uh... file bugs and help test things.
<oss_crowd> sigh... didn't we always do that?
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: I know, let's all go in the circle and say our
names.
* oss_crowd goes in the circle and says their names. This
lasts several months.
<fedora_rh> So, there will be the following features in the next
release of Fedora Core.
<oss_crowd> Uh... Hold on. Who gets to decide?
<rh_sales> We do. That stuff will be neato for RHEL-4.
<oss_crowd> MMkay, then. When do _we_ get to suggest things?
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: feel free to talk among yourselves.
* oss_crowd talks among themselves about new features.
<fedora_rh> btw, feature X will be disabled in the release.
* oss_crowd glares at fedora_rh
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: nice of you to tell us while we were sitting
here talking.
<rh_dev> oss_crowd: sorry, it's just not happening.
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: when do we get to decide what's happening?
<rh_dev> oss_crowd: Dunno, I'll ask rh_legal
<rh_legal> rh_dev: ugh, /msg me
<rh_sales> rh_dev: let's not do anything rash here.
* fedora_us gets tired of sitting in #limbo
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: I want to see more of the "community" part of
the whole "community-based" thing
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: how about at least a publicly accessible CVS/SVN
tree?
<rh_dev> oss_crowd: Yeah, that would be cool.
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: finally, some movement. When is that going to be
up?
* rh_dev is away: talking to rh_legal
* oss_crowd tries to occupy themselves and do things like
fedoranews and fedorapeople.
<oss_crowd> Uh... ping?
<fedora_uh> oss_crowd: what's up?
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: We're feeling kinda useless. What exactly is our
role, again?
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: well, it would be really helpful if you could
test some things and file the bugs.
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: ugh. We ALWAYS did that.
* oss_crowd begins to wonder what exactly is the purpose of
fedora_rh
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: it's the open-development, proving-grounds for
new technology component of Red Hat, as opposed to RHEL.
<rh_sales> Told ya it'll eat your brane.
--- rh_pr kicks rh_sales from the channel (you're a dolt)
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: so, let me get this straight. Effectively, you
want us to download the packages you release, test things,
file bugs, and submit patches.
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: Sure, why not?
<oss_crowd> ...but when it comes to things like features, direction of
the project, and which software to include in the
distribution, it's the decision of Red Hat?
* fedora_rh is away: I AM RH
<fedora_us> I'm still not dead.
<oss_crowd> fedora_rh: How is that different from how things were
before the whole "publicly-supported distribution" thing?
<oss_crowd> rh_dev: where is that long-promised public CVS/SVN repo?
<rh_dev> dunno, talk to fedora_rh
<fedora_rh> oss_crowd: look, such things don't happen in a week, ok?
<oss_crowd> IT'S BEEN A YEAR!
--- rh_sales joined the channel
<rh_sales> EAT YOUR BRAAAAAANE.
<oss_crowd> /mode +b rh_sales
--- You're not ops in here.
<oss_crowd> figures
--- END IRC LOG ---</pre><br>
<pre style="margin: 0em;">Cheers,
--
Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev
Duke Physics Systems Admin, RHCE
I am looking for a job in Canada!
<a href="http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml">http://linux.duke.edu/~icon/cajob.ptml</a>
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